LivingUNDIVIDED Ep. 1: A Story of Cross-Cultural Friendship with Mario Stuckey and Brian Dershaw

Conversations surrounding race are often heated or uncomfortable, but this isn’t how it needs to be. Since 2015, LivingUNDIVIDED has been a place where people have gotten beyond the noise and gotten into relationships with people across racial lines. In today’s episode, Chuck interviews Mario Stuckey and Brian Dershaw—two friends who met as part of the LivingUNDIVIDED program. Through their story, you’ll discover ways you too can live undivided right where you are.

Topic Timeline

Conversations surrounding race are often heated or uncomfortable, but LivingUNDIVIDED exists to help bridge the divide (0:27)

Chuck interviews Mario Stuckey and Brian Dershaw (1:53)

Mario and Brian describe how LivingUNDIVIDED brought them together (4:45)

Mario and Brian talk about challenges they’ve had to navigate in building their relationship (7:39)

Examples of vulnerability in cross-cultural friendship (11:18)

Brian’s baptism story (14:44)

Mario and Brian reflect on how their friendship has aided them in processing the events of 2020 (18:10)

Chuck asks lightning round questions regarding their personalities, similarities, and differences (23:15)

Mario and Brian’s hopes for the future of LivingUNDIVIDED (26:00)

Chuck’s final thoughts (29:22)

Quotes from This Episode

“A friend is someone who walks with you and carries the load with you.”

– @ChuckMingo

“The baseline of being undivided is love.”

– Mario